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    #47784   2008-05-14 10:02 GMT      
    the shot gun is from the unitied arms co ltd belguim, it is a double barrel,choke # 182,stock has double hammers,a lever on top and has numbers on it where the barrel sits, these numbers are 248, and 9014

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    #47785   2008-05-14 10:34 GMT      
    http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20e%20f/a%20fab%20armes%20unies%20de%20liege%20gb.htm

    I Live in Belgium .
    The city of liege has a rich tradition in gunsmithing , mostly dubbelbarreled hunting rifles were made there.
    Most of the armerers work alone. The better guns were sold in europe. The united arms co , and the fact that the guns where marked " MADE IN BELGIUM " only exported guns to the american continents... In belgium , your gun would have little or no value.. this said , I own an fn pistol model 10-22 in caliber 380acp , here its worthless , in the US it isnt.

    under belgian law , every gun has to pass a central arms proofing commision , also in the city of liege ..

    the guns were al marked bij them . A lot of guns dont pass the strict demands . this meaning that your gun is not a cheap knock off ... its a hand made piece , probably betwen 100 and 60 years old and with a proven basic quality

    http://www.bancdepreuves.be/nl/accueil.asp

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    #47786   2008-05-14 13:20 GMT      
    Without close inspection it's really hard to provide more information or even an age. United was likely not actually a manufacturer of guns, they were likely an importer that bought various guns and imported and sold them in the US.

    As Frank said, Belgium has a centuries-old history of arms manufacturing and often in the case of shotguns these guns were built by self-employed gun makers that often worked in their homes or small workshops. It's the ultimate "cottage industry". Often barrels were purchased from a factory and the rest were machined by hand in these home workshops.

    Fine examples were sold to wealthy Europeans as custom built guns, many with fine artistic scrollwork and woodwork. More basic examples were sold to dealers who would sell to importers.

    The dealers would have the guns "proofed" at a certified proof-house in the city of Leige, then the importer would stamp them and sell them throughout the US and other countries. Since there were so many makers and versions, ranging from commercial quality to superior quality, it's nearly impossible to ID these guns without a detailed inspection by someone who is expert in them. Even then, the experts have very little history or records, as this was not a large factory that kept detailed records. They can usually tell you a time period and a quality rating and a ballpark figure for value.

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    #47787   2008-05-14 14:59 GMT      
    Firearms imported from Belgium to the USA ranged from junkers that were almost as dangerous to the shooter as the target, to superb examples of the gunmaker's art.

    I have an 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Co. catalog that lists Belgian made hammer doubles from a low-end price of $5.65 to a high-end price of $22.45.

    In the same catalog, hammer doubles from Parker were listed from $34.45 to $54.25. Remingtons raanged from $19.56 to $23.75, Ithaca's ranged from $19.95 to $30.47, and Greener's ranged from $17.90 to $187.50.

    The majority of Belgian guns imported were from the low end of the spectrum, and most collectors don't put out much money for them unless they are in perfect condition, and bear a reputable maker's markings.

    Unfortunately, none of my references make mention of a United Arms Co., so I can not offer info specific to your shotgun. All I can say is don't shoot it unless it gets an OK from a good gunsmith.

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    #47788   2008-05-14 16:21 GMT      
    Be very careful with the gun- a gun that has hammers on it
    ( the double barrels) are very old and were designed for black powder shells- the modern smokeless powder shotgun shells produce too much pressure to shoot in the old doubles Have it checked out by a gunsmith - he can tell what the barrels are made of by looking at them. Any double barrel that is old enough to have hammers on it is worth a good bit of money as a collectors item.
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